Is Aborting A Disabled Fetus Compassionate?
Sunday, August 16, 2009 23:55Many people sadly believe abortion a disabled child is an act of compassion. What is even sadder is many of these people are Christians. I just had a conversation with one of these Christians and here is the log.
[23:53] Them: have there been higher rates of autism and aspergers occuring/being diagosed in america in the past few years?
[23:54] Me: yes
[23:54] Me: but that has nothing to do with them calling autistic people a disaster of epedemic proporations
[23:55] Me: thats just like saying your a disaster because of your seizures
[23:55] Them: no.
[23:55] Them: listen
[23:55] Them: so there have been noticibly increased rates
[23:55] Them: if there were a sudden outbreak of bird flu, unlike any other recorded in history
[23:55] Them: would you consider it an epidemic?
[23:55] Me: the flu is a contangen that is harmful to life
[23:55] Me: Autism is not
[23:56] Me: if you go by that standard then red heads are an epedemic
[23:56] Me: as well as brown haired people
[23:57] Them: no
[23:57] Them: because there have been the same amount of those colored hair people throughout history.
[23:57] Them: we can take another genetic disease, i dont care.
[23:57] Them: cerebal palsy
[23:58] Them: if suddently the percentage of children born with cerebal palsy shot through the roof
[23:58] Me: Autism is not a disease
[23:58] Them: it would be called an epidemic
[23:58] Them: fine. condition.
[23:58] Me: but your nitpicking on the word epedemic
[23:58] Me: which is beyond the point, but I enjoy a good debate
[23:59] Them: i’m just trying to point out to you that its not insulting to call something an epidemic
[23:59] Me: it is insulting to call it a disaster
[00:00] Them: do you not think that millions of people going through a severe brain disorder is not a disaster?
[00:00] Them: it’s certainly something awful for the people involved, parents, families, etc.
[00:01] Me: well if Autism Speaks has there way if I was born a few years down the road my mother would be encouraged to abort me
[00:01] Me: they have already nailed part of the spectrum on that
[00:02] Them: would you really want to bring a child into this life who would have to live with autism?
[00:02] Them: knowing what you know now
[00:02] Them: if you had the choice to spare someone a difficult life, would you?
[00:03] Me: No, I would not abort a child because I knew they would be autistic
[00:03] Them: would you abort a child if you knew they were going to be severely physically deformed?
[00:04] Them: sickly for their whole life?
[00:04] Me: No
[00:04] Me: But you are comparing apples and oragnes
[00:04] Them: not at all
[00:04] Me: Autistic people are not sickly there whole life
[00:04] Them: look
[00:04] Them: autism/aspergers no DOUBT causes some distress
[00:05] Them: if not a lot of discomfort, problems, upset
[00:05] Them: if people are morally okay with aborting a child to prevent a life of discomfort, pain, upset
[00:05] Them: that’s likely the reasoning behind it
[00:07] Me: So if you were going to have a kid on the Autism Spectrum – would you abort it?
[00:07] Them: i dont know
[00:07] Them: depends
[00:08] Me: on what does it depend?
[00:09] Them: how far along my pregnancy is, how the father feels, etc
[00:10] Me: so you view me as a lesser life form then you?
[00:10] Them: yes. thats precisely what i’m saying.
[00:11] Me: what makes me a lesser life form then you?
[00:11] Them: i was being sarcastic.
[00:12] Me: then I’m still waiting for an answer
[00:13] Them: no! God, of COURSE not. how can you even think that?
[00:13] Them: if i really thought that, would i even engage in conversation with you?
[00:14] Me: then I hate to be harsh, but you just said that if you were pregnant with a child and you knew it was on the Autism Spectrum you would seriously consider aborting it
[00:14] Them: BECAUSE I WOULD BE COMPASSIONATE
[00:14] Them: jesus christ, zach!
[00:14] Them: i just went over the fact that i would if my child had cerebal palsy
[00:14] Them: to AVOID the pain and discomfort.
[00:15] Them: to spare a life of hardship
[00:15] Me: so you would consider aborting someone like me?
[00:15] Them: i’m not having this conversation anymore.
What upsets me is the fact that they as someone who is very Christian thinks that abortion is a compassionate thing and would be a good and encouragable thing to do. What are your thoughts on abortion in the case of disability.
Alex says:
October 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
A few Deaf couples have had in-vitro fertilization and then only implanted the embryos with genes that make hearing impairment likely, and left behind the embryos with genes that make normal hearing likely, because they wanted to make sure their children couldn’t hear fully:
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2006/09/markets_in_ever_6.html
Meg says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 am
This is pure evil that they beleve that they think that it is a compassion to abort, ( I mean to the compassion to kill), a disabled child! The Bible sad that what are they doing:
Isaiah 5:20 (New King James Version)-
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
It’s upsets me because they thinks that a ‘healthly’ child are good and the disabled are a waste to enter the world and they should not be born!!! My mom were told that she should have an abortion after she found out that she was prangent with me because she was young. It is a blessing that she refused to do so. It makes me sad though because I am autistic and sadly in the near future that the will found the gene that causes autism and they are encourged that the parent should about them and they don’t realized that children (disablied or not), are a gift of God NOT ‘a disaster of “epedemic” proporations’.
Psalm 113:9 (New King James Version)-
He grants the barren woman a home,
Like a joyful mother of children.
Praise the LORD!
Psalm 127:3 (New King James Version)-
Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD,
The fruit of the womb is a reward.
I am thinkful that my mom did not abort me and I beleve that autism is to help get us closer to God and he is use it as a purpose. It is the same thingt he said to Paul by having a ‘Thorn in the Flesh’:
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 (New King James Version)-
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Meg says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:29 am
I forget 1 thing, If thay they are Christians, why are they sopporting the shedding of an innocent blood that Is one of the seven ABOMINATIONS that God hates?
Proverbs 6:16-23 (New King James Version)-
16 These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
I don’t understand why they thinks are be a compassions to shed an innocent blood?!!!
If I were you, I would question them if they are really a Christian because a TURE CHRISTIAN would not support it what so ever and they beleve Ephesians 5:11!
Ephesians 5:11 (New King James Version)-
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
You sould show some bible verveses that explians them that what are they supporting are wrong and and tell them they should repent.
2 Timothy 4:2 (New King James Version)-
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Titus 2:15 (New King James Version)-
Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
This is telling they may not really Christians in the first place. Thats why we must use discernment.
John
3:20 (New King James Version)-
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.